Proving the assimiliation of the ethnic Albanians in Sandzak
Arberian 10/05/2024There's many Albanians in Sandzak who today say to be Bosnians, let's take a look to their Origins.
Many Muslim families from Sandzak are of Albanian origins. The first example is Osman Rastoder, he was a commander of the Muslim militia in upper Bihor during the 2nd World War. He belonged to the the Y-DNA Haplogroup R-Y82919 which is a subclade that many Albanians tribals belong to, and all these Tribes have a history in the Albanian highlands. (Allegate N.1)
How can we know all this? Here's an explanation on how Haplogroups work.
Not only that man, but a lot of other Bosniak families in Sandzak are of Albanian descent (Allegate N.2)
Haplogroups surely don't make an identity, but they show to which population another population is most similar and haplogroup subclades show closer ties. All these Sandzak Muslims don't just carry the same haplogroups as Albanians, they literally descend from Albanian lineages like Kelmendi, Hoti, Shkreli etc. This not an abstract point, but a very specific fact:
Most Sandzak Muslim lineages which are not of Slavic origin are derivative of Albanian lineages in a very late period, in the late Middle Ages and the Ottoman era, when Albanians moved there most likely.
The fact that they descend from Albanian lineages explains the very obvious fact that until recently many of them spoke Albanian and only during Yugoslavia they were forced to speak Slavic.
R1b > L23 > Z2103 > Y10789 > Z2705 > Y32147 > Y126039 > Y82919 >
As i said what haplogroups show and what they don't show, where Muslims of Sandzak are of Albanian origin and spoke Albanian until very recently we see the lowest percentage of Slavic ancestry, but in places like Plevlja, the haplogroup percentages are very typical of what would be expected for areas were the majority are of Slavic origin. (Allegate N.3) G25
Regarding their genetic similarities, them scoring closer to Bosnians with G25 doesn't mean that they're Bosnian. Rather, it reflects a similar percentage of Paleo-Balkanic and Slavic components within their genetic makeup. It’s important to note that this similarity does not suggest a closer relationship with Albanians, as both populations yield different genetic results and, consequently, do not cluster together.
A lot of these Sandzak Muslims also descend from the Kelmendi which belong to E-FT17132 (Allegate N.5)
Sulejman_Pačariz, an Islamic cleric from Sandzak, belonged to R-Y189372, according to the Bosnian DNA Project, in the same lineage he belongs to, there's an Albanian.
Another clade is R-FT49932
Lot of Muslims from Novi Pazar a just converted Serbians and here's how: If they're descended from local Serbian Orthodox converts, this makes them descendants of Serbs. Petar Petrovic (1984) has collected a list of all families that lived in the area of Novi Pazar and what their origin tradition is: "Here" Of course, the source needs to be criticized for having nationalistic tendencies and theories about history, but the list of families and their traditions are just ethnographic work which the Bosniak DNA Project itself uses. In this source we will see that Muslims in Sandzak come from different groups, including local Serb converts. Though Albanians on that source are not "15% of Sandzak", the region it covers isn't Sandzak, but a limited area around Novi Pazar, Leposavic (in Kosovo) and some other areas. A good chunk of these "serbes, semi-musulmanes" are of Albanian origin if we check these families one by one, but even a Serbian source from the 1980s with all the bias it may entail has to admit that 35% of Muslims are of Albanian origin and if you remove the areas where no Muslims of Albanian origin could have lived, this goes much higher. Here's another source, where we can check every settlement I sent the source for its value as an ethnographic work because it lists where each family comes from. Some Muslim families claim that they are locals of the region and this makes them descendants of Serbian Orthodox converts. The site has just uploaded the book, it's not their opinion. Not to mention that even in Bosnia, some Muslims are descendants of the Muslims who were expelled from the Smederevo Sanjak, and what their origin was? It's obvious that they were local Serbs who became Muslims.
Here’s a comparison based on Y-DNA:
Berane, Bijelo Polje, Gusinje, Petnjica, Plav, Rozaje, Novi Pazar, Tutin, Sjenica vs Pljevlja, Prijepolje, PriBerane, Bijelo Polje, Gusinje, Petnjica, Plav, Rozaje, Novi Pazar, Tutin, Sjenica vs Pljevlja, Prijepolje, Priboj, Nova Varosboj, Nova Varos
The differences are clear. It's pointless for Bosniak nationalism to claim a connection to populations which have nothing in common with Bosniak Slavs.
A discussion of a Muslim from Bihor. And here's another one.
Here's a video directly by a man explaining it in Serbo-Croatian
Most people from Sandzak know their origins. DNA studies show the same and historical sources show the same.
A new office about Albanian culture has opened in Novi Pazar https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61554748741446 and people can learn more. If this bothers people, then they're just defending Yugoslav anti-Albanian policies.
About the Bosnian DNA Project, I "accept" is the data whatever they are and then I evaluate the interpretation of any project which means that many times I disagree with how Bosnian DNA Project interprets the data it generates. If people can't understand that it's one thing to use data from any project and a completely different thing to accept their interpretation, I can't help them. I "accept" the data from the Serbian project too, but I don't accept their interpretation many times. See how this works? It's called critical analysis and it's how sources are read.
"They are Illyrians who adopted the Bosniak Identity, or they came ethnographically by Albania, which is really cringe to say."
As i proved they literally descend from Albanian lineages which evolved in the Albanian highlands, in a chromosome among Albanian people which are only found in those tribes, who all have a history there. If so, then why struggle with it?
There was no such thing called Illyrian in those other parts anymore since the 600s, the only descendants of the Illyrians today are the Albanians.
The Albanians who were in Sandzak got assimiliated into the local south-slavic speaking populations and expelled. Albanians under the Kingdom of Serbs Croats and Slovenes, aswell in the Yugoslavian regime were a target as always, aswell, most of them ended up marrying a Slavic woman and their kids would go in a Slavic-speaking school.
An example: 700 Albanian citizens were slaughtered in Rozhaje. In 1919 Serb forces attacked Albanian populations in Plav and Gusinje, which had appealed to the British government for protection. About 450 local civilians were killed after the uprising was quelled. andthese events resulted in a large influx of Albanians migrating to Albania. Sources: N.1 - P. 8 N.2 - P. 33 https://breadl.org/d/908502 https://zlib-official.com/book/18114644) N.3 - P. 298 The National Question in Yugoslavia: Origins, History, Politics - Ivo Banac
This perfectly proves why those Albanians that remained in Sanxhak got assimiliated, when these people got sources infront of them, why need to struggle about it?
Here's a Book from 1968 that says that the majority of Sandzak used to be Albanians.
Aswell another source says that Novi Pazar had an Albanian majority, about 244 Serb villages were there and 896 households in 81 Albanian villages, and had a total of 1,749 Serb and Albanian households with 8,745 inhabitants
Albanians were one of the most victims that were pressed in Sandzak, many of those albania were forced to leave.
Mmany Albanian tribes like the Shkreli and Kelmendi started to migrating in the region during the 18th century which later converted to Islam, there was around 251 Kelmend' households of about 1,987 people in Pešter, however five years later part the exiled Kelmendi managed to fight their way back to their homeland, and in 1711 they sent out a large raiding force to bring back some other from Pešter too, which later encountered a lot of Problems.
Fusnotes: 40. Ibid 39. Ibid., p. 160. 45. M. Kostic´ 1930, pp. 217–19; P. Bartl 1978, p. 134. 46. M. Kostic´ 1930, p. 222; P. Bartl 1978 p. 134. 47. L. von Thallo´czy 1916, p. 314)
The remaining Kelmendi and Shkreli converted to Islam and became Slavophones by the 20th century, and as of today they now self-identify as part of the Bosnian ethnicity, although in the Pešter plateau they partly utilized the Albanian language until the middle of the 20th century particuarily in the villages of Ugao, Boroštica, Doliće and Gradac. Fusnotes:
Also there's Marin Mema, which went in Sandzak and asked them personally about their origins. 1 2 3
Interesting part of the 2nd video ism Mema is asking the first individual Delia Kurbasheviq, -Are you Albanian? and his answer is, -Yes, I am! in mena time he is explaining his family tree but at the end he says that he is an Bosniak. Arif Mujezenoviq identify him self as Bosnak but also he state that his family tree were Albanian.
Rexhep Nukiq confirm that his father is an Albanian and in past they have declare self as an (as he state) “Albanci” then later the sign them self as Bosniak.
Sali Bajri/ Bajreviq according the Serbian official register, confirm his family tree, an Albanian root…he confirm his Albanian root! He is 86 old age were he spoke for past that almost all population has spoken Albanian. He is going so far that he state that even in mosque the preaching was in Albanian language. After the question from Mema, did he went to Albania (which he said NO) follow the question, did he love Albania… heartbreaking answer, “My heart is burning for Shqiperia:… it’s says a lot!
Selim Hukiq statement is the same, all have used Albanian language but now the Albanian language is vanished. Trough intermarriage with language convectors, without school of own language our language is lost. He also explain his family tree lineage that is Albanian root and he feel as such and mixture but he confirm that his official identification is Bosniak.
Here is the documentary film of Marin Mema who has talked live to the people of those villages. This is indisputable proof because many of them say it themselves and they also speak Albanian to the camera. One of them even says “we used to declare as Albanians but today we declare as Bosniaks."
And here is a reportage made in 1979 about the plains of Peshteri in central Sandzak. The elderly speak Albanian to the interviewer.
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